I don't understand why finns are almost more swedish than they are finns

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Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Shkljaev Aleksej Сентябрь 8, 2009 в 1:27pm

перевод на русский

Я не понимаю, почему финны уже больше почти шведы, чем финны.

Я думаю, что почти все население было ассимилировано "шведской империей" сотни лет назад. И сегодня им пришла в голову идея, что шведы это родственные братья. Финны, стали только избиты, женщины изнасилованы, и в целом стали более европейскими, более капиталистами и материалистами.
Почему финны должны иметь хорошие связи с страной, которая изнасиловала их земли? Это не имеет смысла, это все коррупция! Мировая политика f***** и всегда была такой с самого начала!
Я думаю, финны должны улучшать связи с финно-уграми, вместо старых германо-фашистов, чья культура близка к вымиранию.


Что вы думаете по этому вопросу?

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Maxim Ryabchikov Сентябрь 8, 2009 в 2:31pm

Очень упрощенная картина получается. История штука длинная и сложная. Хотят финны или нет теперь они родстенны шведам. Сотни лет совместной истории не зачеркнешь. Следы и доброжелательного и совсем недоброжлательного соседства повсюду: и в языке и в культуре. Нужно исходить из того что есть. Историю нужно знать, но не нужно ее исправлять.
Вот к примеру французы, они потомки как манимум двух народов - галлов и римлян, завоеванных и завоевателей. Их язык тоже смесь двух языков. Да, это не "чистый" продукт. И римляне с галлами вели себя далеко не галантно, но никто же не пытается вернуться к гальскому или римскому... То же было в Англии с норманами и саксами. То же в Финляндии и Швеции. Та же ситуация в России. Сотни лет параллельного сосуществования финно-угорских языков с тюркскими и русским не могут не оставить своего следа и в языке и культуре. Конечно финны могли бы постараться быть ближе финно-уграм, можно постараться создать, вернее возродить старое, этнокультурное сообщество. Можно усилиями людей разных стран, разных специальностей и поколений сблизить народы, это вполне посильная задача, но это не значит, что финны должны каленым железом избавляться о всего шведского в своем языке и культуре, а российские финно-угры от всего славянского и тюркского.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Andrew Shevchenko Ноябрь 23, 2009 в 6:36pm

Я сейчас очень тесно общаюсь с компанией ингерманландских финнов. Среди нас есть двое шведов, и никто не упрекает их в оккупации и не поднимает национальный вопрос. Нацизм - это прошлый век. Есть в русском языке такое слово "проехали". Ну было и было, и осталось в прошлом.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Aleksanteri Tee Январь 21, 2010 в 12:12am

Andrew Shevchenko said:

Я сейчас очень тесно общаюсь с компанией ингерманландских финнов. Среди нас есть двое шведов, и никто не упрекает их в оккупации и не поднимает национальный вопрос. Нацизм - это прошлый век. Есть в русском языке такое слово "проехали". Ну было и было, и осталось в прошлом.

I think Aleksei is quite right. I myself as a Finn find it really hard to see the Swedish nation existing in Finland or swedes as a nation as an occupant, as the occupation happened several hundreds of years ago, and was even ended 2 hundred years ago. The coexistence between our 2 nations is much more brotherly, peceful exchange of people, ideas and good. And nowadays since we have equalled Sweden in consumerial living standards some decade ago (and even won them in hockey but not in football:)), and found our independent cultural background as ugrians, we do not even have the little-brother syndrome which they accuse us of:)

Agreeably, the cultural export-import balance is historically heavy on them importing influence to us; we being the peasants and them being the lords etc. But since especially Winter War, Nokia and Economic turnaround as well as other nation-defining stuff that has happened in the last 20 odd years the tables are turning and they've become more interested of us, and more well-becoming towards us too. And we have somehow lost our urge too kneel before our Swedish Masters too:)

Live and let live, Finns and Swedes alike.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Saarelainen Urpo Апрель 11, 2010 в 7:36pm

Unfortunately I have to tell you that your opinion in this subject is quite narrowminded and even strange. We have in Finland around 5 % swedish as their mothertongue speaking minority and they also have more finnish mentality than swedish. Finnish culture has its own deep origin, but of course it has had influence of other cultures also, mainly from Russia and Sweden. That is totally natural. There is no culture of its own without any influence of other cultures. Somehow the aquintance with other cultures is friutful and it also shows us, that we have our own culture.

We have all the time had good cultural relatonships with Estonia. We have also good relasionships with other fennougrian natons, but unfortunately some of them are far away from us.

Perhaps you should recall Demarks violent policy couple of hundred years ago and think for instance about it, how your countrumen behaved in Reval (Tallin) and other parts of nowadays Estonia.

U.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Апрель 14, 2011 в 4:29am

Great reply kaveri! I must retreat something I said in first place. But I must say I'm the wrong person to be told that, because Im so against colonization of finnic lands, ive some karelian roots my self. and speaks a little finnish. couple days ago for first time I saw Proper Finlands coat of arms, I thought still swedish flags? I know that side of Finland has historically "how can I say" "closer swedish relationships", but still kind of strange, even seen through symbolic(metaphoric). I know there are also in etc. Helsinkis coat of arms and others. It almost feels like Sweden king dynasty have more power than it looks like, for the naked blue eye. another maybe "crazy" thing, I've never seen another country in the world where such a small minority has a official language status in a country. like finnish-swedish has in Finland. I think there are so many things that we don't know officially. Finland might be "treaded like" a Nordic or Scandinavian country, but I think no clever or stupid """european leader""" knows where Finland and Estonia belongs. "Along with" eastern europe. I know Finland has a high enough status as a ""european" nation of elegance" and "today we have no racial differences" by official FN rules. Although Finns are pretty much white too in a way, ofcourse. But still they are a rest for "the clean whities" in one way or another :) All the education and social institutions, children programs(been to Finland couple of times), It's taught in-directly to the brain, it's so perfect! So finns will get imported in-directly a feeling of "swedish brotherhood" or close tie. Used every where in world. Maybe I talk alot of shit but just give it chance about the social institutions, children programs, etc. You gotta be critical to everything and everybody to see the "dirt" inside it or them. That's the truth there veli! "Clean spirit tellings of ancestors from the sauna! ;)

Saarelainen Urpo said:

Unfortunately I have to tell you that your opinion in this subject is quite narrowminded and even strange. We have in Finland around 5 % swedish as their mothertongue speaking minority and they also have more finnish mentality than swedish. Finnish culture has its own deep origin, but of course it has had influence of other cultures also, mainly from Russia and Sweden. That is totally natural. There is no culture of its own without any influence of other cultures. Somehow the aquintance with other cultures is friutful and it also shows us, that we have our own culture.

We have all the time had good cultural relatonships with Estonia. We have also good relasionships with other fennougrian natons, but unfortunately some of them are far away from us.

Perhaps you should recall Demarks violent policy couple of hundred years ago and think for instance about it, how your countrumen behaved in Reval (Tallin) and other parts of nowadays Estonia.

U.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Апрель 14, 2011 в 4:55am

Think about it. Just for the sake of Suomalaisuutta.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Апрель 14, 2011 в 5:06am

Don't you think France still have influences in Africa etc.? Britain, Spain in Americas? And another strange thing, Finland was last under Russian rule. why would Finland put in "so swedish" coat of arms???? I think that's a little weird. I hope you can convince me wiser.

moinarod said:

Great reply kaveri! I must retreat something I said in first place. But I must say I'm the wrong person to be told that, because Im so against colonization of finnic lands, ive some karelian roots my self. and speaks a little finnish. couple days ago for first time I saw Proper Finlands coat of arms, I thought still swedish flags? I know that side of Finland has historically "how can I say" "closer swedish relationships", but still kind of strange, even seen through symbolic(metaphoric). I know there are also in etc. Helsinkis coat of arms and others. It almost feels like Sweden king dynasty have more power than it looks like, for the naked blue eye. another maybe "crazy" thing, I've never seen another country in the world where such a small minority has a official language status in a country. like finnish-swedish has in Finland. I think there are so many things that we don't know officially. Finland might be "treaded like" a Nordic or Scandinavian country, but I think no clever or stupid """european leader""" knows where Finland and Estonia belongs. "Along with" eastern europe. I know Finland has a high enough status as a ""european" nation of elegance" and "today we have no racial differences" by official FN rules. Although Finns are pretty much white too in a way, ofcourse. But still they are a rest for "the clean whities" in one way or another :) All the education and social institutions, children programs(been to Finland couple of times), It's taught in-directly to the brain, it's so perfect! So finns will get imported in-directly a feeling of "swedish brotherhood" or close tie. Used every where in world. Maybe I talk alot of s*** but just give it chance about the social institutions, children programs, etc. You gotta be critical to everything and everybody to see the "dirt" inside it or them. That's the truth there veli! "Clean spirit tellings of ancestors from the sauna! ;)

Saarelainen Urpo said:

Unfortunately I have to tell you that your opinion in this subject is quite narrowminded and even strange. We have in Finland around 5 % swedish as their mothertongue speaking minority and they also have more finnish mentality than swedish. Finnish culture has its own deep origin, but of course it has had influence of other cultures also, mainly from Russia and Sweden. That is totally natural. There is no culture of its own without any influence of other cultures. Somehow the aquintance with other cultures is friutful and it also shows us, that we have our own culture.

We have all the time had good cultural relatonships with Estonia. We have also good relasionships with other fennougrian natons, but unfortunately some of them are far away from us.

Perhaps you should recall Demarks violent policy couple of hundred years ago and think for instance about it, how your countrumen behaved in Reval (Tallin) and other parts of nowadays Estonia.

U.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Апрель 22, 2011 в 2:26am

Im actually very sorry for being ignorant.

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Июнь 8, 2011 в 5:43pm

Sverige - FInland 5-0! Oleleleleleeeee! Hejja Sverige! le le lee! :D Come again Finland! Hradecky should have been at goal instead of Jaakkola. Sing sing Sweden!

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Июнь 8, 2011 в 5:54pm

Obey Finland! Hahaha! Oh! how they sang! :)  Why you think Toivonen plays for Sweden? Okay, he's born there. But hello?! :) He earns more money, feels himself swedish enough to play for Sweden, gets himself a better football career. And Finland a-maajoukkue, unfortunately, don't have any fundament. "Back to the drawing boards!" :p

Постоянная ссылка Ответил(а) Tökan Июнь 8, 2011 в 6:01pm

Mitä helvettiä ?! :) Uutta Jari:a puuttuu! Koska tähdet syntyvät? :p

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